sorry another DMR ?

[kooler 11]

does this fit as a dmr it is a 417,barrel length 16"

[Astronic 34]

I can't tell from here. Best thing to do is to actually measure it.

[JTMC93 4]

I think they are saying it is 16 inches and asking if it could be used as a DMR.

 

Which if they are strict on the no 'M4" DMR rules then probably not as 16 inches is the standard M4 Barrel. Though if the inner barrel runs to the end of the Suppressor, and the total length is longer than 16 inches, I personally think they could allow it to count as an integrally suppressed weapon.

[Daschweitz 1]

yes

[Dreshawn 0]

I think they are saying it is 16 inches and asking if it could be used as a DMR.

 

Which if they are strict on the no 'M4" DMR rules then probably not as 16 inches is the standard M4 Barrel. Though if the inner barrel runs to the end of the Suppressor, and the total length is longer than 16 inches, I personally think they could allow it to count as an integrally suppressed weapon.

i remember seeing that the rule is it has to only shoot i semi but i my be worng 

[ShortRound 20]

The base rifle must be a marksman rifle, i.e. an m4 with a long barrel is not considered a DMR.  I am not 100% sure but I do believe that with this having an adjustable stock it will not fall into the DMR category, no matter what the length. Also, yes DMR's must be incapable of firing in full auto.

[JTMC93 4]

The only issue I see is what if you use the M4 as a base but modify it to be more or less a M16. After all the M4 is just the Carbine version of the M16. This is even more complicated as the U.S. Military's current DMR is a modified M16 with a different designation. I believe it is something along the lines of the M16Ax SDM-R. All are AR-15 based rifles with the only differences being their usage, barrel length, and tuning.

 

For the stocks: Many mechanized and airborne squads are using collapsing or folding stocks for space reasons. The Navy, IIRC, was looking at an M4 based SDM-R at one point. Don't think it went too far... Also most SR-25 are equipped with SOPMOD style Collapsible or Folding Stocks.

 

Take an M4, swap the barrel or even just the RIS/RAS and add a Suppressor, switch the selector plate, and give it a good internal tuning and viola custom U.S. Army SDM-R. Especially given how hard it is to find good M16 based airsoft guns.

 

TL;DR: Using a Designation or accessory to determine a weapon being a DMR is kind of a bad idea given how many weapons platforms carry multiple designations. Especially on common platforms. After all an M4 and a C8 are the same weapon but a C8 has a DMR variant on the records. And heck the C8 even has a SAW variant in use.

[DaRooster 122]

The HK 417 is a 7.62 caliber rifle. It was built almost exclusively for the DMR role to compliment the 416. So yes...it's a DMR. Adjustable stock doesn't matter. Yes it can only fire in semi auto as per AMS ruleset.

[JTMC93 4]

Well the Semi-Auto thing might be an issue... Cause I know some brands actually do have select-fire. And if my eyes are working right, for once, I think they have the full select fire option.

[Guest Specs]

The HK 417 is a 7.62 caliber rifle. It was built almost exclusively for the DMR role to compliment the 416. So yes...it's a DMR. Adjustable stock doesn't matter. Yes it can only fire in semi auto as per AMS ruleset.

Agreed with DaRooster here. The telltale here is the round size. Provided the weapon is locked down to semi-only, it should be AMS approved under the DM role.

[ShortRound 20]

Couldn't tell that it was a 417 from my phone so yes this would be able to be a DMR. As far as semi only is concerned, you can "semi lock" any rifle that comes with select fire.

[kooler 11]

i have run a dmr for the last few ams events an m4 with a long barrel and a full stock.this is the first time withe the 417.

Real world because of the cal.it fits but I just wanted to get a good to go from staff before I lug it from ny to ga. the adjustable stock is my main concern.

[Alex AMS 614]

The stock doesn't matter, it's typically round size, and barrel length.  The 417 is fine.  

[kooler 11]

The stock doesn't matter, it's typically round size, and barrel length.  The 417 is fine.  

thank you sir

[EvilRedNeko 37]

Get one of these for it

http://www.evike.com/products/59745/

Dosent have to be this one but it lets you set all fire selections to semi.

[DaRooster 122]

YouTube is your friend when making an alteration to make your gun semi only. Took me 5 minutes and didn't spend a dime. Small alteration to the selector plate is all it takes.

[EvilRedNeko 37]

Ya but then if you want to go back tou either have to open it up and put another tappet plate in it or have a second gearbox all together that you drop in. I mean if you have other guns and that one is going to be your dmr forever thats fine, but you can adjust the rof and do burst too with mosfets.

[KsWrench 48]

On the 417, its super easy to mod the SELECTOR PLATE(not the tappet) for semi-only use. As far as "permanent modification", you are making it a DMR, what purpose could you ever have to make it FA again? Lol

[EvilRedNeko 37]

Im just saying if its your only gun but I do realize most of us have a few, hell I have 3 rifles and 3 pistols.

On a side note as per the rules for AMS can an AK be used as a DMR? Cus they are very easy to set to single only too, and I have an AK that is doing nothing but sitting in the box. It is the Echo 1 Rifle Dynamics AK; so full size.

[Alex AMS 614]

Yes, that's fine.

[Lotus 14]

I see a ton of discussion about being locked to semi only...  This isn't a DMR-specific rule, this is an every rifle rule. Only things allowed to fire full-auto are LMGs/Saws/Etc. 

[KsWrench 48]

DMRs are required to be LOCKED to semi only. Rifleman rifles can have FA, but are not allowed to use it.

[Dave 781]

Ya, they are referring to a physical barrier to prevent it from going above semi-automatic.  This is not necessary for standard rifles.