Thank You

[Chicken 59]

A want to say Thank you to all of the AMS staff and Kastway for all of their hard work. I know 5280 Tactical had a great time playing. As always keep up the good work.

 

I also want to say Thank you to all those who came out to sling some plastic with us this weekend. I was witness to some of the best and most honorable players out there. We look forward to seeing you at the next one.

 

Chicken

5280 Tactical

[armor 19]

I would like to add to this that me and the SL for Cost 1-1 Were witness to some honorable awesomeness when in a close quarters shoot out green and tan both shot at the same time green asked if they could parlay it and tan declined admitting that he had been shot first. Way to go men keep it up.

[Fenix 9]

I personally witnessed some horrible un-honorable conditions when it came to the CDF. We had them send in one of there dead guys into our area and set off our traps then say he was up there to make sure that we were calling our hits from their rockets that landed no where near us. I got it all on video and went to an admin which I have to say I was disappointed that I didn't get what you said on camera because you were no help. Then the guy who walked in with a dead rag on his head said he wasn't actually dead he called himself out to admin the situation and he hit a booby trap that killed him yet kept walking in on us. They said he wasn't radioing in our position and that he had no radio. Which I don't believe for a second. Admin was no help in the situation, which is understandable because it already happened, I just believe that something of this sort is complete BS and should have some punishment for that conduct. Will be posting video of the event so admin may have harsher rues for this conduct in the future.

[Fenix 9]

I am pretty sure that the Viper Tactical squad is pretty upset about the DAM mission situation also. Sorry it turned out that way guys.

[armor 19]

Well this went from good review to bad quick. Let me take a stab at it. Who was the dumbass wearing a red shirt instead of the correct camo. He was asking not to be shot so he could drag his dead out! Needless to say we lit his ass up and then had to listen to him cry. I sat through a 45 min safety briefing and read the rule set multiple times. If you don't do this then you are a dick.

[Fenix 9]

Yea that is a dick move. I only had that one issue, other than that I think everything went well and had a lot of fun. Wish the final battle was in coleville like every other year though. Kahn is a horrible place to have the final battle at. Then again it was up to the commanders where they sent troops and that is where they all met up because UFS was owning the battlefield.

[MAYO 359]

Yea that is a dick move. I only had that one issue, other than that I think everything went well and had a lot of fun. Wish the final battle was in coleville like every other year though. Kahn is a horrible place to have the final battle at. Then again it was up to the commanders where they sent troops and that is where they all met up because UFS was owning the battlefield.

Unfortunately due to a lack of point systems we'll never know who won any AMS event.

I don't expect you to know this, just as I don't know much from the UFS side, but I'll throw some CoST information out there.

 

UFS never owned the battlefield. Not to degrade the UFS, they put up a hell of a fight in several places and many of these locations were EXTREMELY hard to take.

 

UFS outnumbered CoST. Only with CDF and PMC we were close to even.

 

The first half of the first day CoST had UFS locked down in the airfield. We also took a whole platoon and sacked your command center. We were then about to hit the airfield from both the south and north (which was apparently the last UFS respawn) when we were told we could not do that. It was 'suggested' that CoST command pull all CoST soldiers out of the the airfield and out of Coleville. When you 'took' Coleville no one was there except CDF, which was only loosely on CoST's side.

We were also told to hold Coleville and St MG for the first half of the day, which we did before the 'suggestion'.

 

When we pulled forces back we pulled them completely off of the field. All of CoST was back at their command point as UFS 'took' 'strategic locations', which as we were told by AMS did not count for anything on the second half of the day.
We were supposed to be given platoon missions for each platoon; I imagine that is why it was 'suggested' to give UFS the field. This way those missions could be played in a hostile environment rather than them just walking in since we owned everything in the beginning.

 

The second day ufs started at Pegasus bridge as well as CoST. We were outnumbered 2-1. Despite this CDF was 'removed' from the game at several points because UFS was supposed to be able to push into Caen. Why? Because people constantly complain that Coleville ends up being the final fighting spot every time. AMS listened and engineered it so that the fight could be done at Caen instead. AMS is constantly "Damned if they do, damned if they don't."

 

Despite this we sacked UFS command a second time.

 

UFS did a hell of a job. Not saying they didn't. And I'm sure there are plenty of points where UFS command were 'suggested' things or so on.

 

So let me be blunt with you. There is never a 'winner' because there isn't a point system. However, CoST does have the UFS command flag. I expect facebook photos to be posted relatively soon.

 

 

Closing Statement:

UFS and CoST did amazing jobs. It's hot, we're running around with some heavy shit. We're getting shot at, over ran, etc. Tensions are high.

Did I see some really horrible sportsman ship from the UFS side. Sure. Do I think CoST is a bunch of angels? Fuck no. I'm sure we had plenty of bullshit from both sides I'm sure.

I'm sure UFS had some 'suggestions' from AMS as well.

 

I'm not trying to knock anyone. I'm a competitive person. So when I hear something like "UFS owning the battlefield" I get a little agitated.

[AMS Solo 56]

I'm assuming the DAM mission issue you were referring to was when 3 dead rag wearing COST players walked through our rescue mission? Or the fact that we had to wait an hour after our scheduled mission time to participate?

 

Although the wait sucked, the mission was worth it and the dead COST players prob didn't know what was going on.

[Bagel 423]

Excellent post Mayo, you said almost exactly what I was about to point out as well. I can say without a doubt that (other than two very specific instances), the players and teams on the UFS I saw played very honorably and were great sports. Both teams always have their issues, but almost everyone this year came out to play... and seemed to have fun. It was a pleasure, and I look forward to the next event!

[Fenix 9]

I am referring to the situation of the AMS staff not having the ability to host any DAM missions on Sunday like they were scheduled due to man power issues.

[jazzman 223]

I think the UFS did OK all things considered.  No it was not perfect but it was a very interesting game and UFS did the best we could with the resources we had.  I can not say I feel like we won or lost the game, however I feel like once we coordinated and made up our mind to do a task, we got it done.   

 

I could go on for hours but the only thing that really grinds me is Mayo being all proud of sacking our COC and command flag...  I do not get the feeling that we spent much or any time coordinating or even TRYING to defend our COC,  in my mind it was so far back and out of the way, the whole concept was pretty useless.  (I won't even go into the points surrounding the comms station problems there).  There was a map there and maybe some intel from missions that was gathered, but really nothing else, our command staff could not communicate or direct anyone from there and therefore moved into the field less than an hour after game on, never to return to the COC again.  So while I am glad that you had fun assaulting our COC, and I commend you for taking the initiative to do so, I don't think its as big a deal as you make it sound.  We could not of handed it to you on a more silver coated platter. 

The other thing that grinds me about this is that when WE had a squad assaulting YOUR COC,  we were stopped and "insta-god-lightning-bolt-of-death-by-admin" killed.  Not even allowed to enter and take it for the 10 minutes as we were told we could during the safety briefing.  I wish I knew what admin killed that squad.  Piro or guys from Marine 1-1 can tell you more about that instance.

 

Anyway mayo, not trying to get into a big argument but the COCs were a hard pill for me to swallow after the weekend is said and done.  Again, glad you had fun and congrats on capping our COC and look forward to seeing the victory pics. 

 

Props to CoST on making it a fun game and sorry you were outnumbered, I know thats never fun.  Even so you made it tough and the battles between the two main forces were great fun.

 

CDF, I don't even want to talk about you. >.<

 

Rant on folks!

 

~Jazz UFS S6

[MAYO 359]

The flag was more of a joke. Sorry, I thought I added it in there but I forgot it. I rewrote this post and another a few times before posting. Obviously very rantish.

 

Jazzman is correct though. We had the UFS flag  but in all honestly whichever platoon assaulted us later that day DEFINITELY would have taken our flag as well. I was sitting at CoST COC when they assaulted. I'm pretty sure it was Bo btw.

Anyway, that's kind of the joke. We got your flag then got yelled at about it by the administration. Then when you guys came up and were about 99% likely to get our flag the admins told you guys to leave.

 

The safety briefing explained that they could attack but could only hold the area for 10 minutes.

This changed after we sacked UFS command to "you can't attack until tomorrow" or something.

 

I personally was not part of the attack on your command center though. Command didn't even take the flag. We let the platoon keep it as they felt sort of cheated when they were told to fall back to CoST command. Let them have their victory, shhh. Haha.

 

Seriously though, I understand. Hack, the gentleman who won the player appreciation award or whatever was our communications officer. We had a repeater set up on the field and he brought much more powerful radios. He never left the COC and we always had radio communications with him even while down in St MG, just to give you an idea of how well it worked.

The downside however was that only first platoon really stayed cohesive and used this to their benefit.

We are hoping to work with AMS to make this tech available to both sides for AMS events so that COC become relevant, leadership has 2 UHF radios (squad leaders would have one for squad and one for platoon, platoon leaders would have one for platoon and one for command, and commanders would have one for command and one for AMS), and all platoon leaders would have GPS.

 

Anderson and I are trying to work with AMS to apply some changes we think would really help with cohesion during gameplay, especially in larger AOs like this one.

I know we all like to think we're a one man army, but any experienced player knows that throwing a squad against a platoon just isn't going to work. Without team working together to assault together you'll never take a position. And without a team working together to  cover multiple areas of approach and covering their sector you'll never hold a position.

 

I completely understand the situation AMS is in. People pay good money and no one wants to lose. But still, sometimes victory feels hollow in certain situations with how things are made. But, again.. 500+ op. Unless you've done it, I don't think we can really judge. They do A LOT for us as a player base with VERY little personal gain. JP,  Frosty, Bo, and Rick are some of the best guys in airsoft. They try extremely hard to provide us with a quality product despite working their own jobs and having their own lives. As someone who helps run a local field I can tell you how time consuming that even is.

 

Still, despite all the negative, I had a lot of fun.

[MAYO 359]

Props to CoST on making it a fun game and sorry you were outnumbered, I know thats never fun.

~Jazz UFS S6

Bullshit! I love a challenge! Hahaha.

[moses 18]

The other thing that grinds me about this is that when WE had a squad assaulting YOUR COC,  we were stopped and "insta-god-lightning-bolt-of-death-by-admin" killed.  Not even allowed to enter and take it for the 10 minutes as we were told we could during the safety briefing.  I wish I knew what admin killed that squad.  Piro or guys from Marine 1-1 can tell you more about that instance.

 

Jazzman is correct though. We had the UFS flag  but in all honestly whichever platoon assaulted us later that day DEFINITELY would have taken our flag as well. I was sitting at CoST COC when they assaulted. I'm pretty sure it was Bo btw.

Anyway, that's kind of the joke. We got your flag then got yelled at about it by the administration. Then when you guys came up and were about 99% likely to get our flag the admins told you guys to leave.

 

 

I was a member of Marine 1-1 and on the force that assaulted Caen.  I am not sure if it is the same time you are thinking of or not Mayo, but we attacked at 3:45.  We had been told that the game ended at 4 and honestly had no idea Caen was CoST's COC.  We had been hoping to snag Caen right before the game ended so we would own it for the next day.

 

We had spent an hour and half hiking through the hills getting behind Caen and dodging and relaying truck movement back to command before sneaking in and attacking with our 7 guys and did quite a bit of damage (or so it seemed) before Rick Kastway told us that we weren't supposed to attack that day.  Another CoST player told us that COCs were only attackable when you controlled the entire rest of the field.  All I know is that during the safety briefing (of which our squad was in 2 separate ones) we all had been told COCs were attackable and holdable for 10 minutes, but not capturable.

 

I also want to mention and thank the CoST players who were in Caen (and who we encountered throughout the field) at the time as they were all honorable and taking hits.   To those who were dead and around those who weren't I apologize for any of you I or anyone in our squad hit.  It was not intentional, just that you guys were interspersed in a target rich environment.  I know our squad for the whole weekend had no hit calling issues and it was a pleasure to see that.

 

To the player who I traded pistol fire with, the shots that you hit me with were on my gun.  I know I tried to tell you that as it happened, but you seem pretty heated.  You did hit me when we exchanged pistol fire, and then got shot again by one of my squadmates behind me.

 

I know that when I went to go retrieve my thunder b shell, I got to talk to a few of them and they congratulated us on getting the drop on the them and it helped, but I do have to say a lot of our squad were jaded that our attack on the CoST COC was shut down while the ones on ours (of which 2 of the squad mates were present for) were allowed.

 

EDIT:  I just wanted to add that I don't bear any ill will to Kastway.  I assumed that either himself or our squad had been given faulty information.

 

Also to the player who I pistol fought with.  I am only human and make mistakes.  If you did hit me and I did not feel, hear or see it, I apologize.  You can ask anyone within the ASN organization, but I do my best to call any hits that may or may not have happened (I have even called myself out when a grasshopper hit my plate carrier).

[Sisu 288]

Hey guys, tell us all how you really feel, lol.  There will ALWAYS be those moments when you feel like you just want to explode on someone doing something colossally jacked up but hey, when all of our adrenaline is pumping kudos to those that can keep their cool.

I must've zoned out on the rules where we were briefed that we were allowed to attack each other's CoC. When we thought lunch was going on, a handful of us with UFS Marines 1-3, headed back to our CoC, I honestly could've given two shits if you were attacking. I understand you guys were "able" to do it, but I was hot, hungry and about to drop. If you had swung in while I was there, I honestly would've flipped you the bird, put on my dead rag, and kept eating, lol. 

 

My one rant:
Some of you asked were asking how my husband convinced me to come out and play (and continue to play)... Here ya go: 
Don't be an ass! When everyone is in the zone and running around like mad, be aware that you are not actually an officer, and these players are not actually enlisted. AKA. I almost knocked one of you out cold when you were screaming at me and a few others to move. Yeah I get it, it's milsim and there's ranks and all that which is why I carried out orders just like everyone else. But let me enlighten you, when you're screaming at the top of your lungs, red in the face, to "MOVE YOUR FUCKING ASSES ON THE LINE! I SAID MOVE MOTHER FUCKERS!" etc, etc, to some people that just came booking over to you in the first place and are trying to hydrate quickly before they get back into it, it's not the end of the world... I was hot and sore and tired and I'll get there when I get there... and if you want me to keep coming out to events and try to convince more women to go, you'll get the hell out of my face before I knock you on your ass. Kay? It's still a sport/game, however you view it.
I come out and get all kitted up because I enjoy it, not to feed your ego.


Anyway, I will say, I had fun.  
My legs are covered in bruises from traipsing around the woods, up and down seemingly every ravine (with crap tons of loose gravel), and running back and forth all day.  I had a few "Awwwwww yeahhhh, I did that!" moments and quite a few, "Ahh crap, HIT!" moments... Hehe. Like catching a few of the guys from Misfits and just giggling when we were able to pick a few of you off.
It was great to meet a bunch of new people (including more than a few ladies!) and thanks to the boys in the UFS Marines.

 

In anycase, can't wait see the pics and videos that'll come from this!


P.S. And to all the guys on both sides that gave high fives and fist bumps and the congratulatory, "That was freaking awesome!" And the "Holy shit, you guys scared the crap out of us, we didn't see you... That was awesome" And so on, that's the camaraderie that makes it so enjoyable for me. 

[armor 19]

Hey guys, tell us all how you really feel, lol.  There will ALWAYS be those moments when you feel like you just want to explode on someone doing something colossally jacked up but hey, when all of our adrenaline is pumping kudos to those that can keep their cool.

I must've zoned out on the rules where we were briefed that we were allowed to attack each other's CoC. When we thought lunch was going on, a handful of us with UFS Marines 1-3, headed back to our CoC, I honestly could've given two shits if you were attacking. I understand you guys were "able" to do it, but I was hot, hungry and about to drop. If you had swung in while I was there, I honestly would've flipped you the bird, put on my dead rag, and kept eating, lol. 

 

My one rant:

Some of you asked were asking how my husband convinced me to come out and play (and continue to play)... Here ya go: 

Don't be an ass! When everyone is in the zone and running around like mad, be aware that you are not actually an officer, and these players are not actually enlisted. AKA. I almost knocked one of you out cold when you were screaming at me and a few others to move. Yeah I get it, it's milsim and there's ranks and all that which is why I carried out orders just like everyone else. But let me enlighten you, when you're screaming at the top of your lungs, red in the face, to "MOVE YOUR FUCKING ASSES ON THE LINE! I SAID MOVE MOTHER FUCKERS!" etc, etc, to some people that just came booking over to you in the first place and are trying to hydrate quickly before they get back into it, it's not the end of the world... I was hot and sore and tired and I'll get there when I get there... and if you want me to keep coming out to events and try to convince more women to go, you'll get the hell out of my face before I knock you on your ass. Kay? It's still a sport/game, however you view it.

I come out and get all kitted up because I enjoy it, not to feed your ego.

Anyway, I will say, I had fun.  

My legs are covered in bruises from traipsing around the woods, up and down seemingly every ravine (with crap tons of loose gravel), and running back and forth all day.  I had a few "Awwwwww yeahhhh, I did that!" moments and quite a few, "Ahh crap, HIT!" moments... Hehe. Like catching a few of the guys from Misfits and just giggling when we were able to pick a few of you off.

It was great to meet a bunch of new people (including more than a few ladies!) and thanks to the boys in the UFS Marines.

 

In anycase, can't wait see the pics and videos that'll come from this!

P.S. And to all the guys on both sides that gave high fives and fist bumps and the congratulatory, "That was freaking awesome!" And the "Holy shit, you guys scared the crap out of us, we didn't see you... That was awesome" And so on, that's the camaraderie that makes it so enjoyable for me.

 

Oh boy, I'm going to leave this one alone......…ooooor am I. I know you're a chic and all we've got one on our team as well but when she gets yelled at to do her job or to move she just does it. But you are right it's not real world shit so if your thirsty or are hurting too bad to do it then is all you have to do is speak up. And if they still yell at you just hook up with an admin and they should be dealt with. Safety first always. Otherwise we boot ppl for not following orders when they are physically capable.

[Sisu 288]

I was providing just one aspect/answer to the "how do you get more chicks to play" question.

I can keep up with the boys, being a chick has nothing to do with it. Anything you can do, I can do.

I wasn't getting screamed at personally, it was my squad who had just come back up from the CoC, filled our camelbacks at the airfield and had run to get over to where there was another engagement happening on the field. We were all capable and willing to do what we were doing. Taking 5 seconds to drink water is not a reason for some jackass who isn't even in your squad (or outrank you) to scream at everyone like he's king-shit. I understand the rules, the ranks, and all that. That wasn't the issue.

But whatever, was still fun. 

[armor 19]

Yup sounds like they might fall under the dick rule then and f *** yes it was fun.

[Danarchy 190]

I echo much of what Jazzman says. UFS had a set of objectives assigned by the admins and defending the COC on either day was never one of those objectives. We effectively moved command forward on Sunday, with the goal being to maintain the integrity of our units and march toward Caen. You CoST guys held at the end are are to be commended. 

 

As far as the milsim aspects, many "milsim games" are just Call of Duty style "run and shoots" rather than something that truly simulates the task of coordinating anywhere from 5 to 250 people in any setting, let alone one where those individuals are confused and exhausted. AMS provided an opportunity to do that and UFS stepped up. Our large platoon leaders: Ron "Dark Horse" Mexico, Blackbird, Zero and Moon lead 50 players each and maintained unit cohesion and followed through on objectives though-out the game from Saturday morning to the end of the game in Caen. They understood the commander's intent and exercised the initiative to complete the bigger task, even if that meant sacrificing units or taking the harder path. All in all, UFS marched into a defended piece of territory, with a slight superiority in manpower and serious deficit in materiel and managed to push through almost to the other side. 

 

UFS would have loved a relay system, as we had serious comms difficulty, except for the portion of the game when we had Swazee's truck. Next year, we will have that, if I have to buy it. Even when the radios weren't working, Top, Raptor, Jazzman or I got to them and let them know the bigger plan. Frankly, even if I was charging Caen with a a pistol and a knife along with with Top's kids at the end and having fun, I still know the biggest part of "winning" an op or just making a good showing is the boring "fobbity" stuff: do your people have water, are you cycling them from having enough action to having enough rest to having enough action, do the radios work, do they know the big picture so when it seems like they are getting nowhere, they understand there is a plan, do you have a plan or someone to deal with the tricky indigenous fokls the admins are working into the game. On those fronts, UFS held its own on those fronts.

[DCAGrover 136]

Thanks to all on UFS for a great first milsim and AMS event. Rescuing top on the second day was one of my highlights along with just all the crazy crap that happened the whole event. its easy to say you will see more of me at AMS events and hopefully other South Dakota guys.

[Tweakranger 162]

Depends really on the push requirements... I hate seeing people hanging out at the respawns that are perfectly capable but have not moved.  However, the safety briefing said we "Respawn as a squad" This means you MUST wait for your squad to either die or become in effective return and get you. However when you have OTHER people yelling to get moving it contradicts what rules we were given for the game.

 

We have learned over the years that {Safety Is Key} (BlackOut Militia)

 

IF you are dehydrated close to or want to prevent it... standard response to the "GET THE FUCK UP AND MOVE MAGGOT!"  would be the standard  ..I..

                      [|||]/

[screw you man!]

 

 

If someone is Screaming to get on the line, and I just humped 2-3 miles to get back to the FOB or Current Respawn point and some motherF*cker is yelling at me to get my ass back in line and whoop ass... I walk past them and if they point me out to get back in the fight. well I simply ignore them...

 

Reminds me of the scene in the movie "Blackhawk Down"  - "This is my safety! - If anything in Airsoft I would consider myself Delta type because I get in get the job done, I don't have CO's bitching at me to get off my can , because if I am capable and combat ready and effective, you will see me running to the fight ,  ... with ammo restrictions that allow me only to reload at a respawn or rewater at a buffalo. well I will get back in the fight when I am capable to do so. 

 

However I also EXPECT that my CO will fight side by side with me when the shit hits the fan , IE on the Pegasus bridge, Covering fire for the first push smoke wall , left side was coming from 4 or 5 riflemen, TOP, and Blackbird included were taking COvering fire to a new level, and when I run dry I continue the push , rest when you die.... or in Airsoft================> when you are traveling to a respawn.

 

Just fight the fight that you came to give , dont hurt yourself for a game, but make sure when you leave the field it all stays on the field , and you get what you paid for and came for, cause thats what makes you want to come back and continue to fight for your team and your friends.  This is why the DICK rule was born.

[otang 30]

Yea I remember seeing all of 3 UFS "defending" our CoC. Good job on taking it. lol

We were commanded to try taking then holding CoST CoC for 10 minutes because all our other tasks were completed as far as we know.

But back on topic, this was one of the most fun events I have been to. Thank you AMS staff, but most of all thanks to all the BH2 participants that made the trip out there. I would love to revisit this AO.

[Hack 104]

To be clear, the only time CoST used our repeater was when we had forces at St. MG, and to communicate with the sniper outside of UFS CoC. The other 99% of radio traffic was done with nothing more than a radio attached to a big antenna. A repeater is NOT a requirement, but it was nice to have when we needed it.

[snakejawz 5]

to be fair, it was a REALLY big antenna... Hack you did an amazing job buddy.

[MAYO 359]

Yea I remember seeing all of 3 UFS "defending" our CoC. Good job on taking it. lol

Now, it was more of a joke given how the rules got fucked up with the whole situation.

 

But if it wasn't a joke, it wouldn't matter if there was only 1 person there. It was supposed to be an important location. If you left it defenseless, that doesn't degrade what that platoon/squad did to get around behind your forces and take it. Same goes for the guys who hit our CP. Just because there wasn't hardly anyone there and an Admin made them leave doesn't degrade how bad ass they were. I'm sure they took a ton of time and effort to do what they did.

I'm going to try to get with JP and see about giving that platoon leader who hit our command center the CoST flag as they surely would have had it if an admin hadn't intervened. No promises though.

 

Again the comment I made about 'having the UFS flag' was more of a joke. Neither team won or lost imo. Because of Broken Home's size and player count I'm pretty sure everything is way too scripted to  have a winner or loser.