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LBX Tactical "Project Honor" Assaulter Pants

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LBX Tactical "Project Honor" Assaulter Pants

 

http://lbxtactical.com/collections/bottoms/products/proj-honor-camouflage-combat-pant

 

$77.00 from LBX as of 25 Feb 2014

 

Description (c+p from LBX):

- 65/35% Poly Cotton Ripstop

- Ripstop combat pant w/ reinforced seat patch

- Zip fly w/ snap closure

- Dual front utility pockets

- 2 Deep side cargo pockets w/ hook & loop closure and bellowed side gussets

- Dual layered reinforced knees w/ hook & loop closure for optional knee pad insert

- 2 Lower leg ancillary pockets

 

 

Overview:

 

Took the plunge and bought the Project Honor camouflage "Assaulter" pants from LBX on President's Day.  They arrived a full week and a half later (shipped via USPS despite a $20 shipping charge). 

 

These are a sort of "cross" between BDU pants and the latest Crye G3 ("combat pants") stuff being used by the actual military these days.  Overall they're pretty nice, but there are some areas that are definitely lacking (I'll cover this in a bit). 

 

Starting at the front and working our way around...

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Pretty standard stuff.  You can see the two leg pockets with their large bellows, the slash pockets (similar to BDU cut trousers), the thick belt loops, and the two Crye-inspired front utility pockets. 

 

Utility pockets:

 

I'm not really sure what these are designed for (I'm fairly new to the modern equipment scene).  I'd probably put a dead rag in them to free up my leg pocket for empty mags or what have you.

 

Detail of the utility pocket: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.46.16.jpg

Pocket open: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.46.21.jpg

 

An interesting thing is the sewn grommets in the bottom of all the pockets.  This feels a bit cheap (nicer stuff uses metal grommets) and I can see these wearing out: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.47.10.jpg

 

 

Fly:

 

Snap button (I thought this was a bit strange myself - and also a potential problem as snap closures are hard to replace, unlike buttons) with a YKK zipper fly.  2014-02-25%2017.46.40.jpg

 

 

Inside tag:

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Kneepad pockets:

 

This was a disappointment.  I was expecting something similar to the Crye G3 pant where the kneepad is perfectly seated within the front of the leg - instead you basically just get a big pocket and get to hope for the best.  LBX's site is a bit misleading here and as an amateur I basically got owned thinking it was a G3 setup - should have done more research.

 

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Pocket closed: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.47.30.jpg

 

 

Leg pockets:

 

Similar to the utility pockets.  Nothing really special here - just a big bellowed leg pocket with the usual sewn grommets (disappointing) and a velcro flap.  I noticed the velcro didn't line up on the left pocket - a testament to your $75 pants. ;)

 

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Pocket open: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.48.31.jpg

Grommet detail: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.48.36.jpg

Bellows detail: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.48.42.jpg

 

 

 

Lower "ancillary" pocket:

 

I'm also not sure what I'd use this one for either.  I don't like having a lot of weight low on my legs and that's all I can see this accomplishing.  Similar construction to the other pockets on the pants.

 

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Pocket opened: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.49.11.jpg

 

Rear:

 

Reinforced seat similar to BDU pants.  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16140164/Random%20Milsperg/airsoft/LBX/2014-02-25%2017.49.35.jpg

 

Pattern:

 

The Project Honor camouflage pattern is apparently featured in the new Medal of Honor game.  I've never played the game but liked the way the pattern looked (hence why I bought these pants).  It's a cool pattern but I've heard that it sticks out, and my first impressions are just "meh" - there are some areas of high contrast that would stick out in any environment.  See below:

 

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The pattern has the LBX logo and another "MOH" (I assume this is for Medal of Honor) logo throughout it.  I liked the pattern's similarity to the uniforms worn by the AAF in Arma3 (yes, I bought a uniform based on a video game - I feel like a total fag for this but the whole premise of airsoft is manchildren playing army/cosplay bullshit)...

 

Material:

 

Supposedly cotton ripstop, though it feels quite heavy and stiff (undoubtedly because it's new).  I imagine it would get a bit better after a few trips through the wash.

 

Construction:

 

It's no Arc'teryx.  Seams are crooked, velcro tabs don't match up, and lots of loose threads.  They were only $75 so I can't complain too much, but when I see better quality from some surplus equipment, that's a bit worrisome.

 

That said, for airsoft use, they'll be more than fine.  I think you'd have a hard time destroying these pants.

 

Fit:

 

Here's where we run into some serious problems... I ordered a "Medium", marked as a size 33" waist and 31.5" inseam on the LBX site.  I wear a size 32" (generally speaking), and these trousers fit pretty close in the waist.  It's not uncomfortable but I was expecting them to need a belt to stay on.  I imagine they'll shrink a bit too.

 

The real problem starts with the crotch seam, which for some reason rides up pretty bad and is actually pretty damn uncomfortable.  I'm not sure if I need to go up a size or something, but the fit is a deal breaker for me so I've emailed LBX about just returning these pants.  After seeing some of the cut corners and the lack of the knee pad compatibility I just can't see myself wearing these.  I'm also not a big fan of camouflage trousers anyway (I prefer jackets or just shirts).

 

Complaints:

 

(edited 26 Feb 2014)

My original complaints centered around the lack of Crye-like features on these pants.  I have since been told (several times) that these are not patterned after the Gen 3 stuff, but are rather a cut of uniform exclusive to LBX.  This is "cool", but it was not what I was looking for.

 

Closing:

 

I like the pattern, but (because I'm a dumb noob) I was expecting something similar to the G3 pants (you can all laugh at me and call me an asshole now).  In the process of returning them to LBX now, will keep this thread posted.

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these do not claim in anyway to be G3's. They are simply bdu pants in project honor camo with their design of the pants. no where does it say G3. You said it yourself, should have done better research

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In fairness, they incorporate a lot of features that (at least from what I can tell) were started by Crye's combat pants - notably the "ancillary" pockets, knee pad insert accommodations, and front utility pockets.

 

Hope that explains my confusion. In my mind, BDU pants have two large leg pockets and that's it. As for doing research, well there isn't a whole lot available on the internet right now about these pants. I googled quite a bit and couldn't find any in-depth reviews - hence why I posted this, to help out any potential future buyers so they know what they're getting into.

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if you live near a military base, take a photo of the G3 pants and your pants/pads in with them. Explain that you want the knee inserts such as the crye G3 pants and bring velcro for the ankles and knees, most will do the alteration because for them it is simple and they charge a custom fee (I have a nice little old korean seamstress that has done many custom jobs for me). my only recommendation would be to purchase project honor fabric (if its available/you can find it) or order a second pair of pants so that they can cut/add fabric.

 

You may not have some one that is willing to do this in your area, but it is what I do here. I hope this advice can lead you to what fit you want for your pants

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Ian,

Thank you for your review on AMS forums and for your support of LBX.

I would love to get into a long conversation about these as I am the LBX rep as well. But am pressed for time heading to our ESR game in Oklahoma. :)

They are great pants and from what I have seen the majority of those people that have purchased them are very happy.

The MC patter pant is great as well.

There seems like there is a lot of unknowns on your part and that's ok.

These are not supposed to be a pant from another manufacturer. They are LBX.

The knee pads that I have fit right in and serve their purpose very well.

As we have started the first run of these pants are sized a little small and that is something we can remedy if you would like to send these back and get a larger size.

Bottom line is that we want you to be happy with your purchase and if there is something we can do please do not hesitate to email me at bo@lbxtactical.com and I will do what I can.

Thank you again for taking the time to review our pants.

I hope to see you on the field!

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Yes, absolutely.  I think I was a bit hasty in saying I wouldn't deal with LBX again - their customer service has been quick to respond and very polite.

 

The main thing for me is that I was under the impression that these were similar to the Crye stuff.  I'm no expert on combat uniforms (I'm a dumb civilian hobbyist with a full time job), so when reading the description on the LBX website I came away (as an amateur) with the idea that I would be getting something similar to G3s.

 

Bottom line is that we want you to be happy with your purchase and if there is something we can do please do not hesitate to email me at bo@lbxtactical.com and I will do what I can.

 

Frankly, I'll be happy if I'm just able to return them with no issues. :)  Even if I was able to get the right size, I just don't see myself wearing these pants and they don't fit the profile of what I wanted when I bought them.  That's not the fault of LBX or really anyone other than myself.

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Got a full refund from LBX for the pants - the communication was a bit choppy, but am satisfied I got my money back. Trustworthy retailer - good experience.

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