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The following was posted on AMS's facebook by 

"Guys and Gals. This is a very sensitive topic and we as a community must recognize this and do what we can to prevent it. Please feel free to share and lets give our men and women the respect they truly deserve. Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83psR_d7xMI "

So I figured I'd post it here with my response so that everyone, including AMS, can get a nice little read.

Why? Because I'm so egotistical that I think everyone needs to know what I say...or because I think this is a stupid fucking subject that started because some douchebag felt insecure. Anyway, my reply:

"This is stupid.

Stop putting Rank on a pedestal. Just stop.

Should people walk around in today wearing rank on their clothing because they think it's fashionable? No.
Should airsofters use rank to setup chain of commands in airsoft. Why the hell not.

Airsoft, if any community, respects veterans obviously. But rank is not some magical item that was earned with blood and sweat like some of you believe.

As a prior service member I can tell you this: getting rank is pretty random person to person. People gain ranks by having enough points. The amount of points needed to achieve your next rank is determined by your MOS, their need, and how many people are in that MOS.
Person A could be a total piece of shit and gets SSG because his points are only 350 or whatever.
While on the other hand Person B is an AMAZING leader and excells at EVERYTHING and can't get SSG because his points are maxed out at almost 800 points.

The Salvation Army uses rank for God sakes.

The only people I can think of who bitch about rank are either 1) People who want to make their rank more important to everyone else because it's SO important to them, to feel special, etc, and 2) People who get swept away by the people in group 1.

Do men and women in the military die during their service? Yes. But they're also wearing combat gear, which we're wearing as well. It's fucking fabric. Christ.

Rank patches mean absolutely nothing. Wearing a Captain's bar doesn't make you a real army captain. Just like how running around airsofting doesn't make you a fucking soldier; OBVIOUSLY.

Rank is there for a chain of command. That is it. AMS uses CO, XO, 1SG in their OPs yes says they think rank should be left out? Literally one of those positions IS A RANK.

The ONLY patches I see a problem with are Special forces, rangers, combat patches, etc.

To finish it up, soldiers are soldiers and in no way will I ever believe that a Major in the Army is more important than a Private in the Army. Both are soldiers. And unfortunately, this is usually what it REALLY comes down to. If people were wearing Private and Specialist patches, no one would give a fuck.

So stop. Please. Just stop.

AMS, and every other milsim event organizer, PLEASE implement ranks into your gameplay more and please do not give into small thinking. You're where you're at because you aren't a small thinker."

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As a guy who wears a real rank - I don't like it. I know it's pretend, but rank has a meaning off the field. It means years, it means sacrifice, it means a lost marriage or a dented friendship when you beat out a friend for a stripe. It means more than a piece of fabric. 1SG should be changed to something generic like "1IC" or "2IC" to prevent confusion. But some people put more on than a piece of fabric.

 

A rank system could go along way as long as it was something separate and distinguished from those that already exist. To successfully get things done in the game, those with a semblance of structure get shit done and that hierarchy functions better with structure. I just hate confusing the real world with the game, because we've seen what happens when shitbags blur the lines...

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I agree that rank and insignia is for the real folks who served. I was meritoriously promoted twice and that means that for 8 yrs of my Marine carrier I ate, slept, and studied Marine. I worked my ass off physically and mentally and never backed down from a challenge that was presented to me. I went to Corpral course and Sergeants academy and and earned every inch of what it meant to be a good NCO. I didn't like some of the responses on the Facebook page but that's your choices I guess. Military life didn't come easy for me like it did others but I wasn't a shit bird. As a LCPL I became known as a Marine who can get shit done and as a Sgt I made sure shit got done and in real life I carry that over.

I ask people to remove ranks they didn't earn politely but stearnly when I come across them, leave those things for the real people to wear not the pretenders.

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I want to weigh in lightly as there are alot of folks with differant opinions and that is OK with me.

 

No Rank should be worn that is equal to or even remotely resembles those in real life... why because the real one is earned period. Whether it is because i acumulated enough points, passed a test, knew the answers better then someone else... those may be insignificant to some but the person who earned the cheverons they wear is a pretty big deal. I pesonnaly promoted several of my Marines and to look in their eyes as they where promoted to Lance Corporal or Corporal was a life change for many. especially when i was the one who saw what they had to go through to get it. yea some get it easy but most work their ass off.

 

Yes as a United States Marine I have been Promoted 8 times and each time had its own challanges that I had to overcome or excell at. I had to go before a Board 3 of the 8 to be judged worthy for the promotion to the next grade.

 

but enough about me I could go on and on...

 

All that said what rank do you want How is it earned??? there has to be a standard that must be measured for each rank achieved. who is going to manage this??? how do you ensure it is fare?

will this rank be recognized by other milsim organizations? what if you want to play and they have a no rank rule yet you want to wear what you earned through another group?

 

Then you run into Stolen Valor... didnt we go through this already??? and I dont remember seeing any actual rank involved other then verbal!!

 

If you want a rank why isnt Platoon leader OK? or Squadleader? if you want recocnition for what you did on the field, isnt a High five from your team mates or opposing forces?

 

I dont know there are so many arguments I can come up with but I am biased... I have a rank (in the 7 years I have played this game I have NEVER worn my rank I dont need to) that will be mine till I am long gone as with every service memeber who ever served.

 

I will say this and i an done for now:

 

If you need rank on your uniform to be recognized for your deeds or be seen as a leader or be someone others want to follow...  I will say there is something very wrong here....

 

I would not want to be the one saluted because I have a rank, I would much rather be saluted because I am respected and others want to go into the BB fest with me.

 

These are my opinions and mine alone I do not fault you nor take issue with yours. You dont have to like my opinion and I dont have to like yours. thats what is great about this country we live in!

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Im gonna have to agree with TOP on this one. I'd prefer not to see legit rank at an AMS Event, I play to unwind and have fun. I mean if you want ranks like Charlie 1 (CoST Leader) and Uniform 1 (UFS Leader) and so on, thats cool. But the last thing I would want is so and so going on a tirade and getting in a pissing contest with their imaginary rank.

 

Im only a small cog in the machine, I know we have retired brass and SNCO's that play. Combat badges, rank, the titles soilder, sailor, airman, and marine are things that all are earned.

 

instead of picking at little things. Let's focus on the good stuff, having fun, making the best of AMS Events and new friendships that develope from our 2-3 days at the AO.

 

OR!

 

Lets provide constructive feed back that could potentially be added into AMS events to enhance the experience!

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No Rank should be worn that is equal to or even remotely resembles those in real life

 

 

Summed up pretty simply, Top.  Even if you earned it, it's bad practice.  10 USC 772 states: 

 

© A retired officer of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title and wear the uniform of his retired grade.  (Keyword being uniform, not rank.  Uniform is not an accessory; you cannot pick and choose which parts to wear.)

 

In reality, does anyone care if a retired .mil wears rank on their jacket?  Nah.  As far as I'm concerned, you earned the lee way to do what you want.  Does rank hold any status at an Op though?  Other than dick waving, no.  I used to wear my bar, but came to my senses and stopped.  I'm proud of it, but I'm prouder to be a quiet professional.  Will I say anything if I see someone obviously not in the military wearing rank?  Nah, but I'm going to roll my eyes and laugh at you.

 

 

Note that Commander, XO, First Sergeant, PL, PSG, SL, etc are not rank.  They are leadership positions.  Positions are relevant to leadership at airsoft events because it lets people know who is in charge.  There are plenty of ways to denote leadership positions and I strongly encourage them, including wear.  Plenty of ways to denote these positions that are not stripes or geometry.

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I have to agree with the majority of the above posts, if you didn't earn it, you don't wear it.  There are however a couple of exceptions I can think of.  First is reenacting, for obvious reasons.  The second is not so obvious.  When my brother was deployed I wore his unit patch on my PC.  It was not on my shoulder as it would be if I were in country, but on the PC as an homage to him and his fellow soldiers.  I agree with Dave, wearing real world rank and/or badges in airsoft makes you look like a bit of a tool.  Most people if they don't know you, are going to look at you and laugh. 

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  When my brother was deployed I wore his unit patch on my PC.  It was not on my shoulder as it would be if I were in country, but on the PC as an homage to him and his fellow soldiers.  

This would and should be acceptable. There is a difference in wearing something to be recognized or expect to be deferred too and

Wearing a rank of your grandfather on your vest to pay tribute or a patch in homage. this should be allowed in my opinion. This type of thing does Honor to the person you wear if for and is a reminder to all of us of those that have carried or continue to carry the torch.

 

If you wear it just be able to explain why you wear it. I for one will shake your hand and add whoever it is to my prayers of thanks and safe returns. To me this is a high form of honor.

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Beyond active and veteran military member statis, I don't really see the appeal of real ranks in milsim. If I come to an event and see a patch on your arm (without having earned it), that's you asserting yourself over me without proving yourself. Respect should be in place of rank. If I look up to you and your actions, I'll be glad to take some orders from you.

 

The AMS event stars seem to serve pretty well as a measurement of seniority to me. 

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The only chain-of-command/ranks in airsoft should be position titles such as commander, fire team leader, squad leader, rifleman, SAW gunner, etc, etc,,,

If you MUST have a patch for the designation, I suggest you get a name-tape made saying Commander, Fire Team Leader, Squad Leader, Rifleman, SAW Gunner, etc, etc,,,

 

AND,,, Please do not wear patches of units you were not in unless it is part of a reenactment scenario.

 

Thank You

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I love all the discussion here. I agree with Top for sure.

However I think the real issues is wearing issued patches on your uniform.

Most of the time I think we (AMS) should open up a topic and let you guys state your opinion. I believe and I am not speaking for the rest of the guys .. that  ISSUED PATCHES should now be worn by non military personnel.

I have seen some crazy responses in that topic and I don't want to mention em.... but at the end of the day as most people know... I played pro golf for 8 years and never won or played in the masters SO I wont be wearing a green jacket anytime soon. That is sports... in real life its a WAY more serious manner in my opnion.

Its cool to emulate your hero, dad etc. but I think overall its prob not a good idea to wear what is not earned!

 Just my lil opnion!

The rank system is a whole other animal

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1) Just to clarify, not refering to airsoft in general, but events. I support the use of ranks to ID rank structure throughout an event. Rank is used to provide structure to a hierarchy. We're running around playing soldiers, teams being called Rangers, Seals, etc, with people wearing impression load outs, playing pretend soldier, but the use of yellow shoulder rank is crossing the line? During my time in training when I first joined the Army and was a Private, we used SGT, SSG, and CPT ranks for exercises despite being privates. Ranks are routinely used in reenactments. I don't see how MilSim is that far off. Like stated before, the Salvation Army has LTs, Captains, and Majors even.
There is a difference between these statements: "I was a Lieutenant of the United States Army", "I was a Lieutenant of the Salvation Army", and "I was a Lieutenant at Operation XYZ".

2) MilSim.. isn't the whole thing homage to real soldiers? I've seen several people make this statement, including AMS staff. We have videos, praised by everyone, of people larping wounded soldiers, use CO, XO, and 1SG, but ranks are too far? Yes, CO, XO, and 1SG are leadership positions, but they're earned all the same. If anything those titles are more prestigious than the ranks, as not every CPT becomes a CO, not every LT becomes a XO, and not every MSG becomes a 1SG. Airsoft is not real.

3) There are people much more qualified than anyone who has posted so far who actively support Lion Claws events, despite the use of 'real' rank during the gameplay. These men have action figures made of them.. action figures.


Action figures.

If these guys are cool with it, I don't see why many of you aren't.


PS - I'm not really upset at anyone, or find you to be stupid people. So, please don't take insult to anything I say personally. Just as you might think my point of view is stupid/ignorant I'd hope you wouldn't just write me off as a stupid person. One idea/stance does not identify a man/woman.
My initial statement might not have been the best composed, but I still stand by the over-all note. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, and a company is allowed to do whatever it wishes under the law.

This is obviously something people feel strongly about, so I won't try to 'convince' people, but I'm more than happy to debate any specific point. I'm never the one to not admit if I'm wrong or if my point doesn't make sense.

EDIT: Dave pointed out that 1SG isn't a rank. I was under the impression that it was, and only E8s could hold the position/rank. MAH BAD DAVE.

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1) Just to clarify, not refering to airsoft in general, but events. I support the use of ranks to ID rank structure throughout an event. Rank is used to provide structure to a hierarchy. We're running around playing soldiers, teams being called Rangers, Seals, etc, with people wearing impression load outs, playing pretend soldier, but the use of yellow shoulder rank is crossing the line? During my time in training when I first joined the Army and was a Private, we used SGT, SSG, and CPT ranks for exercises despite being privates. Ranks are routinely used in reenactments. I don't see how MilSim is that far off. Like stated before, the Salvation Army has LTs, Captains, and Majors even.

There is a difference between these statements: "I was a Lieutenant of the United States Army", "I was a Lieutenant of the Salvation Army", and "I was a Lieutenant at Operation XYZ". as with all services to attain rank one must have training the Salvation Army is an army of ministers, those given a rank have been trained and commissioned to service and leadership and given a quasi-military rank. similar to any service oriented group. What training so milsimers get? who monitors to ensure a standard is met? who manages the training? The person who holds the rank earned it and is proud of it. if I tried to compare a Marine Corps Lieutenant to an Army Lieutenant I can use the same logic you have but then i am a Marine and there is no comparison.

 

2) MilSim.. isn't the whole thing homage to real soldiers? I've seen several people make this statement, including AMS staff. We have videos, praised by everyone, of people larping wounded soldiers, use CO, XO, and 1SG, but ranks are too far? Yes, CO, XO, and 1SG are leadership positions, but they're earned all the same. If anything those titles are more prestigious than the ranks, as not every CPT becomes a CO, not every LT becomes a XO, and not every MSG becomes a 1SG. Airsoft is not real. I again say I dont need a rank on my shoulder or displayed to have others follow... what are the consequesnces of failure to fallow an order of those if higher "rank" nothing in milsim... Non-Judicial punishment or an ass whoopin depending on who it was... :angry: as you said Airsoft isnt real

 

3) There are people much more qualified than anyone who has posted so far who actively support Lion Claws events, despite the use of 'real' rank during the gameplay. These men have action figures made of them.. action figures. Now this is rich..... I was a VIP for 5 Lion claws events... So I Need to have an action figure now to be valid in your eyes?? Now that is just to funny!!!!! I havent played in aqhile with Lion Claws not because I dont want to but because Lion Claws and AMS schedule on the same day or weekend. I promised John Lu that I would play in his games when I can and I promised the group before AMS the same and now AMS, after all the drama that happened a few years ago. I dont need to pimp my ego with an action figure...LMAO :lol: :lol:

 

I do have a question: why the push for a ranking system? it aint broke... whats the deal?

Action figures.--------------> :D

 

If these guys are cool with it, I don't see why many of you aren't. LMAO Again!!! :lol:

 

 

PS - I'm not really upset at anyone, or find you to be stupid people. your allowed your opinion no hard feelings here but i will debate till the cows come home. :P .. LOL So, please don't take insult to anything I say personally. Just as you might think my point of view is stupid/ignorant I'd hope you wouldn't just write me off as a stupid person. One idea/stance does not identify a man/woman.

My initial statement might not have been the best composed, but I still stand by the over-all note. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, and a company is allowed to do whatever it wishes under the law. as I stand by mine, not the best written but the meat of it is where I sit... :)

 

This is obviously something people feel strongly about, so I won't try to 'convince' people, but I'm more than happy to debate any specific point. I'm never the one to not admit if I'm wrong or if my point doesn't make sense.

 

EDIT: Dave pointed out that 1SG isn't a rank. I was under the impression that it was, and only E8s could hold the position/rank. MAH BAD DAVE.

 

---1Sgt is a rank! there are 2 E-8's in the Marine Corps one is called Master Sargeant the other is 1st Sargeant there are 2 different cheverons, one lines you up for Sargeant Major the other lines you up for Master Gunnery Sergeant both E-9. that aside there are billets for 1st sgts that are held by those not of that rank in the real world its the senior enlisted of the company and represents the enlisted to the company comander. :blink:

USMC-1st-sgt.png  1st Sargeant   usmc-master-sgt-decal.jpg Master Sargeant

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After 26 years in the military, I have earned my 1SG rank and have led many men and women in difficult times. But when I play airsoft

I just enjoy putting on the gear, picking up my AEG, leaving my rank at home and just go sling some BBs with the young troops. I get

immense satisfaction out of being just one of the guys.

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TOP is right - 1st Sergeant (1SG) is a rank that holds a pay grade of E-8. The rank is also a position of command authority that represents the most senior enlisted person in the company. By this virtue, the 1SG is senior to the Master Sergeant even though it holds the same

pay grade of E-8.

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TOP is right - 1st Sergeant (1SG) is a rank that holds a pay grade of E-8. The rank is also a position of command authority that represents the most senior enlisted person in the company. By this virtue, the 1SG is senior to the Master Sergeant even though it holds the same

pay grade of E-8.

I will agree! However this is an administrative title for chain of command purposes.The ranks are equal and most get along great.. LMAO

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1) Just to clarify, not refering to airsoft in general, but events. I support the use of ranks to ID rank structure throughout an event. Rank is used to provide structure to a hierarchy. We're running around playing soldiers, teams being called Rangers, Seals, etc, with people wearing impression load outs, playing pretend soldier, but the use of yellow shoulder rank is crossing the line? During my time in training when I first joined the Army and was a Private, we used SGT, SSG, and CPT ranks for exercises despite being privates. Ranks are routinely used in reenactments. I don't see how MilSim is that far off. Like stated before, the Salvation Army has LTs, Captains, and Majors even.

There is a difference between these statements: "I was a Lieutenant of the United States Army", "I was a Lieutenant of the Salvation Army", and "I was a Lieutenant at Operation XYZ". as with all services to attain rank one must have training the Salvation Army is an army of ministers, those given a rank have been trained and commissioned to service and leadership and given a quasi-military rank. similar to any service oriented group. What training so milsimers get? who monitors to ensure a standard is met? who manages the training? The person who holds the rank earned it and is proud of it. if I tried to compare a Marine Corps Lieutenant to an Army Lieutenant I can use the same logic you have but then i am a Marine and there is no comparison.

None. It's a game. It's people pretending to be you. How is that insulting? It's flattering. I wouldn't yell at a child wearing rank pretending to be me. Why would I yell at an adult who is doing the same thing for the most post? I'm not saying it's wrong to be proud of it, but I don't see why pretend time stuff insults so many of you. Sure, someone who is claiming something they're not for real should be punished.

 

2) MilSim.. isn't the whole thing homage to real soldiers? I've seen several people make this statement, including AMS staff. We have videos, praised by everyone, of people larping wounded soldiers, use CO, XO, and 1SG, but ranks are too far? Yes, CO, XO, and 1SG are leadership positions, but they're earned all the same. If anything those titles are more prestigious than the ranks, as not every CPT becomes a CO, not every LT becomes a XO, and not every MSG becomes a 1SG. Airsoft is not real. I again say I dont need a rank on my shoulder or displayed to have others follow... what are the consequesnces of failure to fallow an order of those if higher "rank" nothing in milsim... Non-Judicial punishment or an ass whoopin depending on who it was... :angry: as you said Airsoft isnt real.

You don't need rank. You don't need a helmet either. You also don't need a plate carrier. Matter of a fact, all you really need is a highcap and a gun. Nothing ever boils down to necessity. We bring out helmets, plate carriers, and midcaps because we enjoy the immersion of it. If AMS doesn't want to use Rank, that's fine. That is their choice. But I don't understand why people considering it taboo and insulting if they did. On that same point however, I also believe if people are attending a 'milsim' game, they should be required to follow directions of their superiors. If you don't want that, go play airsoft somewhere else that isn't milsim. 

 

 

3) There are people much more qualified than anyone who has posted so far who actively support Lion Claws events, despite the use of 'real' rank during the gameplay. These men have action figures made of them.. action figures. Now this is rich..... I was a VIP for 5 Lion claws events... So I Need to have an action figure now to be valid in your eyes?? Now that is just to funny!!!!! I havent played in aqhile with Lion Claws not because I dont want to but because Lion Claws and AMS schedule on the same day or weekend. I promised John Lu that I would play in his games when I can and I promised the group before AMS the same and now AMS, after all the drama that happened a few years ago. I dont need to pimp my ego with an action figure...LMAO :lol: :lol:

Of course. What kind of man can call himself a man without an action figure to squeeze the legs of and activate that judo chop? I didn't say you're not valid. If anyone in this thread has merit, I'd imagine you would be at the top. However, there are a few individuals who have done more than any of us, or all of us combined, and are ok with it.

But I digress, the action figures were more of a joke than anything. Joking aside, you've got guys that have been under fire while in service, picked up their soldier's blown apart bodies, and so on, who don't give a hell about rank being used in a make believe game.

 

I do have a question: why the push for a ranking system? it aint broke... whats the deal?

Immersion. More importantly I don't understand why not to push it. I'm not against the 1SG, XO, CO, I'm just not sure why we're not using rank in a game that prides itself on being authentic.

 

Action figures.--------------> :D

 

If these guys are cool with it, I don't see why many of you aren't. LMAO Again!!! :lol:

Sir you can only laugh your ass off once. It's gone already.

 

 

PS - I'm not really upset at anyone, or find you to be stupid people. your allowed your opinion no hard feelings here but i will debate till the cows come home. :P .. LOL So, please don't take insult to anything I say personally. Just as you might think my point of view is stupid/ignorant I'd hope you wouldn't just write me off as a stupid person. One idea/stance does not identify a man/woman.

My initial statement might not have been the best composed, but I still stand by the over-all note. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, and a company is allowed to do whatever it wishes under the law. as I stand by mine, not the best written but the meat of it is where I sit... :)

Trust me, I'd never hold writing against a marine ;)

 

This is obviously something people feel strongly about, so I won't try to 'convince' people, but I'm more than happy to debate any specific point. I'm never the one to not admit if I'm wrong or if my point doesn't make sense.

 

EDIT: Dave pointed out that 1SG isn't a rank. I was under the impression that it was, and only E8s could hold the position/rank. MAH BAD DAVE.

 

---1Sgt is a rank! there are 2 E-8's in the Marine Corps one is called Master Sargeant the other is 1st Sargeant there are 2 different cheverons, one lines you up for Sargeant Major the other lines you up for Master Gunnery Sergeant both E-9. that aside there are billets for 1st sgts that are held by those not of that rank in the real world its the senior enlisted of the company and represents the enlisted to the company comander. :blink:

Well, BAM, take that Dave! I was right!

USMC-1st-sgt.png  1st Sargeant   usmc-master-sgt-decal.jpg Master Sargeant

 

I'd like to note that in almost all cases, red is the color of bad, and blue the color of good. See Star Wars for reference. Thanks. :P

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Ya, I was thinking strictly unit leadership position.  I've had an E7 fill a 1SG slot before.  Was a long 21 hour day yesterday; wasn't thinking straight.  Off topic, though.

 

 

I do have a question: why the push for a ranking system? it aint broke... whats the deal?

 

 

 

 

Pretty much boils down to these two points.  Here's what adopting rank in airsoft gets you:

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I have avoided joining this topic, but I have to say something here. Personally, I could really care less about people wearing old patches or rank (barring combat designations, CIB/CAB, and SOF patches), but unfortunately it does open the door to a lot of posers when you let it go... and I get pretty rabid with jerkwads like that. I'm proud of who I am and what I have done, but you will never see me wear my rank or awards to a game: it just causes way too many questions at a time when all I want is to shoot.

It's easy for those of us who have served to understand a hierarchy on the field, but most civilians struggle with that; as a result, I see the validity of using a rank structure. However, once you institute that on the field, you run the risk of people taking it too far or coming up with bullshit stories as to why they deserved it... we have all seen it happen before.

Patch wise, I agree that anyone wearing it in honor of someone is doing a great thing, but before long you have assholes who use that as their justification to claim service yet again. Welcome to human nature sadly, and as a result, the best option is just to say no to all of them.

I used to play at a field in NY where a small "team" ran, and one day some kid ran up to me screaming for me to charge with him across an open area, all because he was a "sergeant" and said so. Mind you, this was simply an open play, not an event. This is the type of crap that allowing actual ranks breeds in our sport.

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Having a rank is not a bad idea, but using military rank is! It does mean alot to the person who earned that rank and did what it takes to get there. Watching a kid or young adult walk around with lets say an E-6 stripes  and knowing how the real person who earned that rank feels.

come up with your own system, Like B-1, B-2 B-3, etc. Then for the lets say intermediate ranks maybe I-1 thru I-9, Then for senior ranks maybe something like S-1 thru S-3. 

I think that a governing body chosen by the major event planners should be the ones who create and vote a body to over see this process. 

Should be based on skill, attitude, demeanor 

 

However this is just an opinion, But do not use a Military rank that you di not earn, it does mean more then a strip  of fabric to someone who did earn it, thanks!

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Jeez, so much talk about feelings, everybody is soooo offended...

In WW2, my family lost people to the Nazis. And pretty much every single of my Russian friends lost family members to the Nazis - some just one or two and some lost entire families. So when I go to a military history fest here in the US, and half of the people are wearing Nazi stuff, should I start punching people in the face cause I'm offended?

This is, after all, a democratic country. Everybody should be able to wear whatever the heck they want.

 

Now, as far as this goes for airsoft - if you're doing milsim and portraying a particular thing, down to the chain of command - get ranks and act them out accordingly. If you're not doing milsim, but want to have organization, institute a chain of command using fake ranks.

If you're just doing open play, you better show that you deserve to lead the men through something other than just slapping a tab on your shoulder (in regards to that "sergeant" kid).

 

To sum up my thoughts - I think that ranks can be used in certain milsim events when everything else is appropriately recreated, and players actively try to live up to what they are supposed to be portraying. For other airsoft events, fake ranks should be used, cause it's not so frigging hard to come up with a few.

Outside of airsoft though, unless you're breaking the law, you can wear whatever. Because FREEDOM!

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Around here, your position is your rank. CO,XO, Plt Ldr, Sqd Ldr, Fire Team Ldr,,,,,

Since we do work at the platoon-squad level, stripes, bars, or pips aren't needed.

 Now if you're cast as El Generalissimo e' Presidente  de' Alto Jeffe, the HVT for the snipers or snatch squad, we can slap more gold braid and scrambled eggs on you than the doorman at the Ritz.

 

 

 

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